The Other Larry

I am simply a conservative American

2011-03-11T16:21:00.000-08:00

This was shamelessly stolen from Brigid over at Home on the Range - wonderful!

I am not one party any more than I am one stereotype. I am the face of one American. How I think may not be the way you think or others think, but then again, when I step in that voting booth it is only my hand pulling the lever. And I will pull it, believing in these things.

If I don't like guns, I do not own one.

I don't demand you hand yours over.

However, I believe that the lawful, proficient possession of a firearm makes me smart.

I don't think it makes me a potential killer of the innocent.

If I want the things my neighbor has, I work harder.

I don't demand they "share the wealth".

If I make a mistake, I try and own up to it.

I don't blame it on some conspiracy.

If I don't like what someone, brave enough to speak with their name behind it, says, I don't listen.

I don't demand their silence.

I do not believe that my color or gender makes me better than you, any more than being a minority makes someone noble or victimized.

I don't believe any group should have special advantages to make up for wrongs of past generations.

I believe that if you can't read a ballot in the English language, you shouldn't get to decide who will be running the most powerful nation on earth for the next four years.

I don't think illegal immigrants should ever have a vote.

I believe it takes two loving people to raise a child.

I don't believe it takes a village.

I believe in Peace Thru Superior Firepower

I don't believe we can all get along.

I believe that government is here to provide the freedom to pursue my goals.

I don't believe that government is here to make sure no one is in need.

I believe I should be empowered to work out my own problems.

I don't believe someone else should solve my problems for me.

I believe if you want to dine on tofu that's perfectly all right.

I'll be having the steak though.

I believe the right to pursue happiness means the right to fail.

I don't believe bailouts of the greedy and the inept are a solution.

I think that jobs, college quotas and promotions should be based on ability, work ethic and merit.

I think discrimination against a while male is as abhorrent as discrimination against a black female.

The ONLY bonus points in hiring should be for veterans. Period.

I wish to live in a country founded on the principles of our founders, God, Trust, Freedom.

I don't wish us to be more like Europe, just with bigger parking lots.

I don't believe health care is a human right.

Man's primary right, the right to his own life, establish all others, including the rights to select and pursue his or her own values, and to dispose of these values, once gained, without duress. That includes power over who I see for any medical care and who decides what care I can get.

I think you can politely disagree with me and that is Freedom of Speech.

I don't think because someone disagrees with me they are automatically an idiot. That always remains to be seen.

- Brigid

2010-12-23T20:03:00.000-08:00

Merry Christmas !

Twas the month before Christmas

2010-12-16T19:16:00.000-08:00

[Credit to Old NFO]

Twas the month before Christmas

When all through our land,
Not a Christian was praying
Nor taking a stand.
See the PC Police had taken away

The reason for Christmas - no one could say.
The children were told by their schools not to sing
About Shepherds and Wise Men and Angels and things.
It might hurt people's feelings, the teachers would say

December 25th is just a ' Holiday '.

Yet the shoppers were ready with cash, checks and credit
Pushing folks down to the floor just to get it!
CDs from Madonna, an X BOX, an I-Pod
Something was changing, something quite odd!

Retailers promoted Ramadan and Kwanzaa
In hopes to sell books by Franken & Fonda.
As Targets were hanging their trees upside down
At Lowe's the word Christmas - was nowhere to be found.

At K-Mart and Staples and Penny's and Sears
You won't hear the word Christmas; it won't touch your ears.
Inclusive, sensitive, Di-ver-si-ty
Are words that were used to intimidate me.

Now Daschle, Now Darden, Now Sharpton, Wolf Blitzen
On Boxer, on Rather, on Kerry, on Clinton!
At the top of the Senate, there arose such a clatter
To eliminate Jesus, in all public matter.

And we spoke not a word, as they took away our faith
Forbidden to speak of salvation and grace
The true Gift of Christmas was exchanged and discarded
The reason for the season, stopped before it started.

So as you celebrate 'Winter Break' under your 'Dream Tree'
Sipping your Starbucks, listen to me.
Choose your words carefully, choose what you say
Shout MERRY CHRISTMAS, not Happy Holiday!

For your religion could be next...

Republicans Kind of Suck …

2010-10-20T20:58:00.000-07:00

Because in the Democratic land of epic, mega, ultra, apocalyptic levels of sucking, those who kinda suck are king.

Frank Fleming has a great article on Pajamas Media.

Socialists Within

2010-08-16T08:54:00.000-07:00

There are 70 members of Congress who are registered members of the Socialist Party of America.

Time to clean house!

Please, Remember...

2010-05-31T09:32:00.000-07:00

The Root of the Matter

2010-05-29T16:13:00.000-07:00

"The root of the matter is this: we have been ruled by men who live by illusions: the illusion that you can spend money you haven't earned without eventually going bankrupt or falling into the hands of your creditors; the illusion that real jobs can be conjured into existence by Government decree, like rabbits out of a hat; the illusion that there is some other way of creating wealth than hard work and satisfying your customers; the illusion that you can have freedom and enterprise without believing in free enterprise; the illusion that you can have an effective foreign policy without a strong defense force, and a peaceful and orderly society without absolute respect for the law. " - Margaret Thatcher, 1978

She is just as right now, as then.

What the socialists haven't quite figured out is that they have already run out of other people's money. Very soon will come the revolt.

A Glimmer of Sanity

2010-03-26T19:16:00.000-07:00

"I would remind the President of the United States that he is not the leader of a party or an ideology; he is the leader of our country—one founded, not to emulate others, but to inspire the world."

- Rep. Thaddeus McCotter, MI
That's exactly what I would like to remind Obamanuts!

Nuff said...

Gee, Ya Think?

2010-03-04T20:39:00.000-08:00

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Heh!

The Nuts are at it - again!

2009-12-07T19:14:00.000-08:00

An Oregon School has banned the Giving Tree, along with Santa Claus.

Link to KOMO article

The nuts are running the nut house again!

These anti-Christ Christmas idiots just don't get it. If they manage to that Christ out of Christmas, you are left with just another day. There would be no Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, winter holidays, or any other holiday season.

Christmas time is the celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ - plain and simple. Without Him, there is nothing!

......sigh....

Is the Climate Change Threat Real?

2009-12-05T12:34:00.000-08:00

Is Climate Change at risk of destroying the globe?

I don't think so.

In light of the recent revelations that the AWG proponents were fudging the numbers, or cooking the books, should cause everyone to question the whole 'settled science' issue. I think we all can think back on quite a few 'settled science' that eventually was proven not to be fact. Flat earth? Sun orbits around the earth?

Even if Climate Change is a real threat, it is probably not worth the effort to try to mitigate the effects. It has been estimated that to make any effect would require NO green house emissions for at least 143 years - just for a 0.7 degree reduction in global temperatures, not to mention the Trillions of dollars removed from the global economy. Destroy modern civilization or destroy modern civilization. Hmmm. Would it be worth it? I think not.

I'm not a proponent of polluting the planet. Growing up in Southern California I remember the blankets of smog choking the LA basin when there was no rain or wind for several days. That's not a good thing. Efforts to mitigate those polluting effects have been and are worth the effort, but to destroy modern civilization in order to save modern civilization seems to me not to be a desirable goal. Kinda like smashing out your car windshield because of the possibility of it getting a chip or a crack in the future.

There is an excellent, laymen's terms article over at Bore Patch explaining the problems with the ~~Global Warming~~ Climate Change science: Should you be a Global Warming Skeptic?

And what's with the name change?

The Slow March to Socialism

2009-11-19T14:55:00.000-08:00

If you are really wondering about the talk of our socialist-leaning congresscritters and the POTUS, you should read this:

Survivor of socialism has warning for America

You can mark a step-by-step parallel to what is happening today.

Oh, and have a nice day :o(

Skeet Shooting - Texas Style

2009-11-18T18:50:00.000-08:00

This is how skeet shooting is supposed to be!

Wish I had one.

Someone in the Media finally gets it

2009-11-12T12:47:00.000-08:00

Time to Put An End to Army Bases as Gun-Free Zones

John Lott of Fox News even got it right about the handgun that Maj. Hasan used in the shooting.

I do agree that we should finally trust our service members and allow either open carry or licensed concealed carry on military bases, or at least follow the local area laws that the base is located.

Remember, when seconds count, help is only minutes away.

In Honor of Veteran's Day

2009-11-11T16:23:00.000-08:00

This video will give you goose bumps!

These 5 little girls are just awesome!

This may give you some idea of what most veterans or service members feel when they hear the National Anthem, or salute the flag - it does me.

I spent 21 years defending my country. I never served in combat, but I was always willing to do my duty. If that meant losing my life, then that was my duty. I am still ready - without hesitation! Without this great nation, I know I would not have the wonderful life that I have been blessed with.

Being a service member allowed me to see many parts of this world. I learned a lot about different countries and their people and customs. I was able to meet and learn from many wonderful people. It also allowed me to realize and appreciate first-hand that there is no better place to live than right here in the United States of America.

God Bless the U.S.A.

We Must Choose Now!

2009-10-30T14:08:00.000-07:00

"The strongest reason for the People to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -Thomas Jefferson

Here's a very profound comparison presented by Glenn Beck:

Time to get off the fence, folks!

Don't Bring a Knife to a Coffee Fight

2009-10-26T10:21:00.000-07:00

A new statistic that guns can reduce assaults. From Caleb's blog.

Deer Hunting in Texas - with a M47 Dragon Missile

2009-10-15T16:48:00.000-07:00

Jarrette Schule was cutting trees on his property when he found something "you don't see every day."

"Could there be crazy Texans out there hunting deer with black market military missile launchers?"

Hmmm...

Progress Report on the Obama Presidency

2009-10-05T12:23:00.000-07:00

Judge for yourself:

Dave Ramsey's View on the Cash for Clunkers Program

2009-08-20T19:24:00.001-07:00

Why is Dave passionately opposed to the government's Cash for Clunkers program?

1944 ... and Now

2009-08-17T21:06:00.000-07:00

Have you ever heard the name Norman Mattoon Thomas?

Well, Norman Thomas (1884-1968) was a leading American socialist, pacifist, and six-time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America.

The Socialist Party candidate for President of the U.S., Norman Thomas said this in a 1944 speech:

"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."
He went on to say: "I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform."

He was also active in setting up the American Civil Liberties Union.

Mr. Thomas may have been a socialist, but he knew something of the future. I wonder if we, as a nation, are ever going to wake up?

Are you awake?

A Peek into the Future with Obamacare

2009-08-14T19:27:00.000-07:00

A post by Zane F Pollard, MD, shows a glimpse from a doctor's perspective of what Obamacare will be like when it passes.

I don't know about anyone else, but this really worries me.

Perspective of a Liberal Convert

2009-08-14T13:20:00.000-07:00

An interesting read from the views of a converted Liberal, Mr. Bill. If not educational, at least entertaining.

Here's the link: Where are we going, and what are we doing in this hand basket?

Whaddaya think?

Synopsis of House Bill HR 3200

2009-08-14T12:51:00.000-07:00

America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009

The bill is a 1,017 page document broken out in three Divisions:

1. Division A – Affordable Health Care Choices
2. Division B – Medicare and Medicaid Improvements
3. Division C – Public Health and Workforce Development

Division A – Affordable Health Care Choices (pages 4-215) This division creates a Health Insurance Exchange (HIE) with a public health insurance option along with private insurance plans.

The government will determine what is a qualifying plan (section (202 (d)(2)). You must be covered under a qualifying plan on January 1, 2013 or you will be automatically enrolled in the public plan (Div.A Title I Subtitle A Section 102 (a)(1)(A) page 16 lines 11-16).

There are NO new enrollees in private health plans after January 1, 2013 (Div. A Title I Subtitle A Section 102 (a)(1)(A) page 16 lines 11-16).

There is an out for the government to deny all private plans from qualifying after 2018 (Div.A Title I Subtitle A Section 102 (b)(1)(A) page 17 lines 13-19).

The government can disqualify any plan for not adhering to the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974 or any other reason the Commissioner sees fit ((Div.A Title I Subtitle A Section 102 (b)(1)(B) page 18 lines 13-17).

There will be a Health Benefits Advisory Committee made up of 26 members and chaired by the Surgeon General. Of the 26 members, 17 are appointed by the President. There might not be one single Medical Doctor (Div.A Title I Subtitle A Section 123 (a)(3)(A-C) and (4) pages 31-32 lines 1-25 and 1-10).

There is a statement that the government has the right to conduct examinations and audits of Qualifying Health Benefit Plans (QHBP) and recoup the costs involved (Div.A Title I Subtitle E Section 142 (b)(2)(B) page 43 lines 13-1. Nothing in the paragraph stipulates how infrequent these audits need to be. Therefore, the government could run private plans out of business. Once the government disqualifies a plan, you’re in the public plan (Div.A Title I Subtitle E Section 142 (d)(2)(B) page 44 lines 16-22) and (Div.A Title I Subtitle E Section 142 (d)(2)(D) page 45 lines 7-10).

Private Insurers are not allowed to make a profit (Div.A Title I Subtitle F Section 2714 (a) page 54 lines 1-13). This obviously will bankrupt private insurers. Each company must reinsure all retirees, their spouses and dependents (Div.A Title I Subtitle F Section 164 (a)(1) page 65 lines 14-22). This obviously will bankrupt companies.

The government will automatically enroll you in the public plan if you are not in a qualifying health plan (Div.A Title II Subtitle A Section 205 (b)(3)(A) pages 97-98 lines 22-25 and 1-2). I thought this was all about choice.

If you have any sort of family change: marriage; divorce; new child; child completing college and now off of your insurance or move, you are automatically enrolled in the government plan (Div. A Title II Subtitle A Section 205 (b)(2)(B) pages 96-97 lines 24-25 and 1-11).

The public health plan has no dental coverage (Div.A Title II Subtitle B Section 221 (b)(3)(B) page 117 line 9). We’re going to have “English Teeth”

There is a 2.5% tax on all individuals who do not get acceptable coverage (Div.A Title IV Subtitle A Section 59B (a) page 167 line 23). And Obama says there are no new taxes for this.

If your employer elects to not provide coverage, there is an 8% tax on wages (Div.A Title IV Subtitle A Section 412 (a) page 183 lines 17-20). If your current employer pays more than 8% now, what do you think they will do? You’re going on the public plan.

There is a range of taxes (1%-5.4%) for people making over $350,000/year (Div.A Title IV Subtitle D Section 59C (a)(1-3) pages 197-198 lines 21-23 and 1-6). And Obama says there are no new taxes for this.

By 2012, there must be submitted, a study showing the savings, through 2019, generated as a result of the public health care (Div.A Title IV Subtitle D Section 59C (i)(4) page 201 lines 5-11). How could they possible predict this? The date is awfully close to Obama’s next election day.

Division B – Medicare and Medicaid Improvements (pages 215-854) This division discusses all of the changes to Medicare and Medicaid.

The public health plan will be reducing “Durable Medical Equipment” (Div. B Title I Subtitle B Part 2 Section 1131 (e)(1) page 267 lines 7. This means, folks, no more MRIs, CT Scans, etc. The government will arbitrarily adjust “utilization rates” on such equipment so less of them are required (Div. B Title I Subtitle B Part 2 Section 1147 (a)(1)(C) pages 273-274 lines 20-25 and 1-4).

No more specialty hospitals, like cancer treatment centers (Div. B Title I Subtitle B Part 2 Section 1145 (B) page 272 lines 8-25). If these specialty hospitals cannot charge a premium for their services, they will go bankrupt.

The government will ration the amount of time you are allowed in a hospital (Div. B Title I Subtitle C Section 1151 (a)(1) page 280 lines 15-20). Good luck infirm and elderly.

Physicians can no longer have ownership interest in a hospital (Div. B Title I Subtitle C Section 1156 (i)(1)(B) page 317 lines 13-20).

No new hospitals or expansion of existing hospitals (Div. B Title I Subtitle C Section 1156 (i)(1)(C) page 317 lines 21-25). Obviously, this is of concern and needs no further comment.

If any increase in hospital facilities is allowed, through exception, it can only occur at the main campus (Div. B Title I Subtitle C Section 1156 subsection (i)(2)(D) page 323 lines 15-20). Main campuses are usually located in urban areas forcing money into cities and away from rural populations. There will be studies on how to get you to go back to the cities (Div. B Title I Subtitle C Section 1157 (c)(1)(A) page 329 lines 7-9).

The only way a rural hospital will be allowed to increase their facilities will be after 5 years and only if they are located in a county showing a 150% population growth over the state aggregate population growth; admission rates for the hospital must be greater than other county hospitals; in a state that has less bed capacity than the national average; has a bed occupancy rate more than the state average and other conditions determined by the Secretary (Div. B Title I Subtitle C Section 1156 subsection (i)(2)(E)(i-v) pages 323-325). Seems pretty difficult to get new hospitals built, huh?

The public health plan fully admits there will be a lack of Physicians (Div. B Title I Subtitle C Section 1156 subsection (i)(4) page 326).

Pharmaceutical companies cannot make a profit (Div. B Title I Subtitle D Section 1181 (b)(1) pages 361-362 and Div. B Title VII Subtitle E Section 1742 (a)(1)(C) pages 793-794 lines 5-25 and 1-. Obviously, without profit, there is no further research.

The poor, in order to get benefits without paying for them, can self-report income (Div. B Title II Subtitle A Section 1203 (a)(1) page 390 lines 12-25). No potential for fraud here!

ACORN will be getting grants under public health care (Div. B Title II Subtitle A Section 1222 (a)(2)(B) page 407 lines 5-9). No potential for fraud here!

The elderly will be counseled every five years on end-of-life issues (Div. B Title II Subtitle C Section 1223 (a)(1) pages 424-426). Good bye useless old people.

The state will limit the explanations needed to euthanize you (Div. B Title II Subtitle C Section 1223 (a)(1) pages 426 lines 22-24).

A “practitioner” who will be given the authority to turn your life support off can be a nurse practitioner or a physicians assistant (Div. B Title II Subtitle C Section 1223 (a)(1) page 428 lines 9-10 and page 429 line 13). Good bye useless old people.

The capitol gains on your primary residence will be used to compute your income to determine your Part B income-related premium (Div. B Title II Subtitle A Section 1235 (a) page 437 lines 17-24). Suddenly, you’re rich!

Division C – Public Health and Workforce Development (pages 855-1017) This division is about training of future health care professionals.

Future doctors and/or nurses can no longer pick their specialties. The Secretary will pick their areas of interest based upon “needs” (Div. C Title II Part 2 Section 340H page 869 lines 21-24).

Primary Care Physicians and “Other Healthcare Professionals” will make up 90% of the healthcare workforce (Div. C Title II Part 2 Section 340K pages 874-875 lines 22-24 and 1-2 and Div. C Title II Part 2 Section 2213 pages 877-880 lines 14-25 and 1-23, inclusive).

Quotas are in full effect throughout the bill (Div. C Title II Part 2 Section 2213 (c-d)(1-3)(pages 880- 881 lines 4-23 and 1-7 and page 884 lines 4-10 and page 939 lines 16-19 and page 946 lines 3-5).

There will be funding for “additional health services” at schools (Div. C Title V Subtitle A Section 2501 page 994 lines 11-13). What are the “additional health services”?

Only unionized healthcare entities can train future nurses (Div. C Title V Subtitle D section 2531 page 1008 lines 13-16 and page 1010 lines 4-5).

All state, county and municipal workers are under the public health plan (Div. C Title V Subtitle E section 2541 page 1017 lines 6-19).

Oops!

2009-08-12T19:28:00.000-07:00

Obama said at the town hall meeting Tuesday that "we have the AARP onboard because they know this is a good deal for our seniors." He added, "AARP would not be endorsing a bill if it was undermining Medicare."

AARP's chief operating officer Tom Nelson quickly fired back, saying, "indications that we have endorsed any of the major health care reform bills currently under consideration in Congress are inaccurate."

Oh nevermind...

The Cash-for-Clunkers Math Lesson

2009-08-11T20:36:00.000-07:00

The Cash-for-Clunkers program will, presumably save 166 gallons of gas annually for each car turned in under the program. So far, there have been 240,000 cars turned in for a total savings of 39,840,000 gallons a year - quite impressive.

Now figure that it takes 27 barrels of oil, or 1142 gallons of oil to produce a new car including the petroleum to create and machine the parts, the energy costs, etc. 1142 gallons of oil times 240,000 equals 274,080,000 gallons of oil to create the new replacement cars.

So cash for clunkers will save the 40 million gallons of oil per year, so eventually the energy cost of producing these new cars will be recouped - wait for it -
In six and a half years.

The cash for clunkers math lesson can be found at DEBTKID. A good read.

Now, if only we could get our president and congresspeople enrolled in remedial math classes - maybe summer school?

My Thoughts on Obama’s Health Care Reform

2009-08-10T10:52:00.000-07:00

How many of you out there have read the proposed health care reform bill? All 1000 plus pages? I tried, but had to quit reading. If you are not a lawyer, I don’t recommend it – it will make your head explode! When I tried to read it, I had to stop before my head did a poor imitation of a hand grenade. It did give me a headache that still hasn’t subsided. Most of it I did not understand, but some of the things I did understand has me very worried. I won’t go into details. They have been covered many times elsewhere.

I don’t disagree that there are some parts of our current system that needs improvement. Instead of throwing out the entire system for a new, unproven system that is iffy at best, and very, very expensive. My question to Obama and Congress is: can we afford it? What is the plan if the cost is twice the amount they are saying it will cost? Even Congress’s own budget office has stated that the price tag of the proposed reform bill is untenable.

How about we just address and fix those parts of the current system and then work on providing health care for those who are too poor to afford it? Tort liability is one area that could address the rising cost of health care. I don’t have any suggestions on how to fix this, as I am not a lawyer, but I think there are some smart people out there that could come up with a plan that both sides of the argument could live with.

Pre-existing condition is another issue that could fairly easily be addressed. Simply require all health care insurance companies not exclude any pre-existing conditions. I know that this would increase the cost of health insurance premiums, but with some sort of tort reform and maybe an increase in co-pays could mitigate the increases. Still would be a lot cheaper than more than a trillion dollar cost, along with the possible collapse of the entire U.S. health care system.

I have seen the figure of 45 million folks in the U.S. that do not have health insurance. I don’t believe that figure, but let’s say for the sake of argument that the figure is accurate. This is the reason I keep hearing from the proponents of the reform bill that we have to reform the entire health care system. This doesn't make sense - why not just address the basic problems.

I have an idea.

If Congress set aside 10 million dollars per person, that would more than pay for free health insurance for all of these uninsured individuals – for life. The price tag for this option would only be 450 million dollars, a lot less than a trillion dollar plus tax burden. Under this idea, a billion dollars would be enough to finance health care for 100 million people. Pretty cheap considering the reform bill cost, and it would not dismantle the current system that isn't completely broken.

Obama and Congress would never consider this suggestion. Why? Because it’s just too simple – and it would work – and it would be fairly cheap.

But I don’t believe that this is the whole story behind health care reform. Do you?

A bit of trivia: If you divide the trillion dollar first year price tag by the total number of U.S. residents, that comes out to $3.28 Million per person. Just give me my share and the govmint will never see or hear from me again - I'll cope.

UPDATE: check out what the Democrats are doing to ensure passage: CraigsList Ad.

Another Voice Cries Out in the Wilderness

2009-08-09T19:21:00.000-07:00

I just started my blog. I have a lot on my mind - I just don't have the gift of words to put my thoughts and ideas to the printed word. I really do have a lot of admiration for those that have the 'gift of gab', like Brigid over at Home on the Range. I love her writing style. Very eloquent. I would love to see her put her blogging efforts to writing a book. All she would have to do is take a lot of her posts and make a collection of short stories about the joys, tears, and realities of living.

This blog may go nowhere. We'll see. I'm just not sure how much time and motivation I'll have to devote to this project. You see, I'm an Information Technology Specialist. My job is to develop database applications, electronic forms and maintain several web pages for my agency. I also administer, or help administer about eleven application and web servers. I program web pages in CDML, Cold Fusion, PHP, PERL, and just plain ole HTML. I spend all my time in front of a computer at work. There are days that I just have no desire to look at one when I come home.

I am also the family IT guy. "Something's wrong with my computer. what's wrong with it?" Some of these family members are across the country. Does anyone have any idea how hard it is, most times, to diagnose computer problems long distance by phone?

Anyway, I digress. I hope I can put thoughts into words and add to the discussion and not add to the noise.

We'll see...